|“Paul …killed Christians and hated and scorned Christ followers. Then, Jesus came to him… and Paul really learned the severity of his sin.”
Hey Bob, I was really offended by your site, and how it mocks the Man God that died for your very sin of posting such a horrible website. I hope you realize He loves you, too much to keep u the same and ongoing with your site. Paul, a major missionary of the Bible, killed Christians and hated and scorned Christ followers. Then, Jesus came to him and said, “why are you going after my children (Christians)? Repent and follow me.” And Paul prior-name Saul) did love and worship Jesus Christ and really learned the severity of his sin.
Why did you make your website? Why do you hate and mock God?
First of all, thank you for your email. In these times there are far fewer defenders of God & Jesus on the internet than there were just a few years ago. So many people are caught up in their electronic distractions. Plus the voice of atheists have all but drowned out any remaining squeakings of religion on the World Wide Web. It’s nice to see there’s still people out there willing to stand for things like Jesus and God. That said, I think you are very very wrong. Regrettably so.
No one can die or be sacrificed for someone else’s wrongs. Eluding that this is even remotely possible in any way shape or form is the highest form of injustice and unaccountability. Claiming that an innocent can absorb the penalty for the guilty, and it is moral and good, is perversed. This alone is deserving of a mocking dressup game. But this only addresses your first sentence.
A perfect example of the criminality and outright grotesqueness of absolving the guilty of crimes through the trivial act of believing it’s already been accounted for by someone else, is Paul/Saul. Paul is said in the Bible to’ve been responsible for the death of hundreds, possibly thousands. He murdered people simply based on the god(s) they did or did not believe in. Not only were his catastrophic crimes against humanity forgiven, but he is a hero you think worth noting. A trumpeted figurehead to be exemplified. Imagine this in today’s world. Someone with the same genocidal credentials, perhaps even responsible for murdering your own non believing loved ones, given complete immunity and placed at the top podium in a mega-church. How does that strike you? Is this truly deserving of glory in your eyes?
My feeling is that to pretend crimes and wrong-doings are disposed of at the asking is deeply, deeply disturbing. What you see on my site isn’t a hatred of God. It’s a hatred of an idea. It’s the mockery of an absurd and chilling concept. I suppose it’s my smack in the face to all who believe this worldview is there for the taking as an immediate painkiller for guilt and responsibility. It skips some of the most important steps necessary for moral growth.
Might I suggest that you order one of my bumper stickers for your automobile as a symbol of your own repentance from such a flawed concept? l think it’d be an impressive message for you to advertise. Much like your hero Paul/Saul, but for our team!
Again, thank you for at least trying to defend yourself no matter how wrong everyone online says you are.
|“…probably many people would be hesitant to accept that genocide leader got saved”
Sorry for being rude toned in the first email a while ago..
Everyone is accountable for their own sin. We are all headed for hell by our human nature. That’s why we are in desperate need of a Savior to save us. And then without the Holy Spirit to follow after a salvation/conversion then we can’t stop sinning either.
Even if you don’t believe in God or Jesus, if someone was killed is a horrific way, why have a website of them with dress up clothes retelling their death?
And, Jesus has risen, is alive and is in heaven on His throne! That’s the real, current victory.. It shows He was and is perfect, and can be celebrated for conquering sin and death.. He died but was resurrected. Not like on an operating table where a heart beat stops and then starts again.. It was a supernatural happening where He received the first new body.
God chose me, and I am thankful He changed me from a blind, God-hating, perverse girl to His daughter who He is making perfect out of grace. I’m undeserving of heaven and relationship with Him, but He has grace.
About the Saul/megachurch analogy, probably many people would be hesitant to accept that genocide leader got saved (like how people doubted Paul at first). It’s all about fruits and it was proven that Paul’s life was clearly changed. He was sorry, He was called by God.
I’ve heard of people that killed their baby in a tribe in Africa (because of a tradition about twin births) but God saved. The mother didn’t know she was sinning because she was trying to stay dedicated to her tribe customs. Missionaries came to the village and she got saved and was so sorry. Thus, she is free of that sin. Jesus came to free the captives. We are captive to sin without Him.
Just read the ESV Bible and check out Mars Hill Church online (with Mark Driscoll). I pray God saves you and begins a work in your heart and life to His glory and you can look back and laugh a little at all this.
There’s so much more stuff that could be said but its a loaded conversation. So, keep searching.
Look at your life and see what’s in your heart and know theres hope for a totally different and free way to live through Christ of grace, forgiving people and love. Dont look to the world to teach you. Look to heaven. Seeya
Do you know how happy it makes me to see someone illustrate my reasons to their own questions so eloquently? You ask why I’d have a dressup website of someone’s horrific death, then follow that with “Jesus has risen, is alive, and up in heaven on his throne!”
I dressup this horrific “sacrifice” because it was no sacrifice at all. Just as you described. There was no loss for Jesus (or his father) if he rose up to be by his dad’s side in paradise forever. Sacrifice, Erin, requires a loss of some sort. If no loss can be accounted for, there is no sacrifice. Thus, I am depicting a trivial event where no sacrifice took place. None that can be explained logically.
Hell, I’d even go so far as to suggest that Christians around the world would be wise to doubt if any payment at all has been made for their sins if no loss can be reasonably explained! I don’t mean to terrify you with the reality that you all might ultimately be held accountable for your own wrongdoings, but it seems a very real possibility if you actually examine the payment plan.
And Erin, I would be extra cautious about assuming your sins have been sufficiently paid for if you’d still consider following a repentant ex- genocidal leader. To me that seems an awfully risky chance to be taking. How does one assess if someone is truly sorry, especially if you’re dealing with a megalomaniac? I mean, if you accidentally make him your leader and you’re wrong about his repentance, you’d be partially responsible for the next Jonestown, Branch Dividian or Manson Family! It’s no coincidence that almost all the followers of those cults were raised in the beliefs such as yours. Doesn’t that tell you something?
Then imagine you die and God says, “Sacrifice? What sacrifice? Jesus came straight to paradise afterwards. Didn’t you do the math? Nothing’s been paid for. Okay, so let’s start with your list of sins and see what you’ve got to pay for YOURSELF!”
Seems to me an awful lot of assuming is going on here with hardly any emphasis on thought. I’m happy though to see you’re still searching for answers. Keep searching. I’m happy to answer your questions. Look in your heart and really think about whether or not a repentant megalomaniac should really be promoted a second time to a leadership position. Don’t look to what a megalomaniac says you should do. Develop the moral compass within yourself. That’s what I do.
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I don’t know what would push any particular person over the edge into being able to say “I am an atheist.”
Here’s my take on it:
An atheist is a person who has no belief in a god or gods. That’s it. You either have this belief, or do you not. If you look inside yourself and find no belief there, you are an atheist. If you still have a belief, as small as it is, you are a theist. There is usually great value among atheists in being what some call “brutally honest.”
I remember the moment when I was able to say “I am an atheist” to myself. I was eighteen years old. Ever since I was a young child, I had that “still, small voice” that Christians like to call “God.” But this “still, small voice” used to say to me “Fuck God!” It repeated in my head at the very time I did not want it. I tried to drown it out, because it was important to me to be a “good Christian.” It seemed to me that this was the absolute worst thing someone could think, let alone speak.
There was a moment, in fact, the day before I moved out of my parents’ house. The moment when I was stressed out, and worried about the person I was going to be. I knew that I was no longer involved in the faith. And that voice came back to my head again. There’s really only one way to get rid of an “ear worm,” you know? An ear worm being a song you can’t stop thinking about? You have to listen to that song in its entirety. Well, the one thing I had to do to get rid of that voice once and for all was to say it. No, not just say it–YELL it. Which I did. To my lack of surprise, nothing happened. I know it sounds silly, but to yell those words, “FUCK GOD!” I was making a stand about who I was and who was responsible for the things I do and say. Obviously, it was no longer God.
It didn’t matter if I was 100% sure of anything. I had to make that stand and claim my moral autonomy. I was about to embark on my own life; I had to be sure it was my very own. I had to accept that my thoughts were my very own. So I said it.
I giggled. I laughed. I went a little silly, and flopped down on my bed. All that anxiety I had held in all those years about whether or not I would go to hell–totally and completely gone. The fear left all at once. It was scary and exhilarating. I was free.
And that’s why I had to be truthful with myself and say “I am an atheist.”
Great post, alleee. Despite having attended church and Sunday school when I was very young, I think I was just born an atheist. But I just went along with it all as a child because I didn’t want to disappoint my mother (in the same way that I pretended to believe in Santa for several extra years for fear that my ma wouldn’t get me as many presents if she knew that I knew).
I distinctly remember sitting in class when I was around 9 or 10 (grade 5 I think) and we were learning about the Solar System and planets. It was then that I consciously realized that I didn’t believe in god. I remember thinking things like, “If God lives in Heaven and Heaven is up in the clouds surrounding earth, then what the hell is up with all of these other planets that are inhospitable to life like ours?” And then learning about our galaxy and the entire universe almost made my head explode. The thought of god sitting up on his golden throne miles about our earth was totally ridiculous if he had of created the entire universe. This was also the time when my love and fascination with astronomy started. Carl Sagan is one of my top five heroes (along with Richard Dawkins, Michio Kaku, Derren Brown, and our of course our own beloved Normal Bob 😉 ).
I never told anyone about my non beliefs for fear that people would dislike me. All through High School and University I kept it to myself. My two best friends were major bible thumpers at that time. One of them, when I admitted that I didn’t go to church ever was absolutely shocked and asked me how I was going to survive when the predicted giant earthquake finally hit Vancouver, BC (where I live). I replied, “well I’ll probably find a doorway to stand in if I can, right?!”
Now that I’m older (in my 30’s) I spend a lot of time trying to get my mother to stop believing in woo woo. She stopped the whole church thing a long time ago but she still believes in crystals, psychics and all that crap. She’s getting to the age where her retirement money is not stretching as far as it used to and her spending money on what these crooks are selling just breaks my heart. I just don’t understand how someone so intelligent can have such stupid beliefs.
I also try to attend a few get togethers from Meetups.com involving atheism, skepticism etc. because despite living in a country (Canada) that is supposed to be mostly secular, I rarely meet people who don’t believe in god. And I often need reassurance that I’m not the only sane person around and that there are other people (real in the flesh people) that don’t believe in any gods and do consider themselves atheists (not agnostics).
I just think that so many people desperately want to believe that they will live on after they die and they will see their loved ones again that when someone offers them one of the million sound arguments against gods and religions, they mentally check out and figuratively stick their fingers in their ears and start singing “La La La”.
Whoops, didn’t mean for this to me so long (don’t wanna look that crazy woman who took over the comment section a few months back!).
And a note to Bob, the link to the bumper stickers doesn’t work (at least it didn’t for me?).
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